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Författare Ämne: Utedel LLVP under altan - i Engelska  (läst 6730 gånger)

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« skrivet: 23 april 2013, 19:30:31 »
Hej

I want to install the outside parts under our veranda.
Space between ground and veranda floor is almost 1 meter. Veranda is 3,5 x 12 meter
As you can see on the photo there are 2 doors and 2 windows on the front of the house and I want to install 2 Zibro SC1332 or SC3032
Each between a door and a window.
The veranda is on the bottom of the front and on the right site open
Can someone tell me if it is possible ?

And I want to make a concrete floor on the ground which excist of rocks. In the concrete I fix the rubber absorbers.
Then the oudside part is not fixed on the house but stand all by it self on the ground.
Is that a good solution ?

Thank you.
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« Svar #1 skrivet: 23 april 2013, 19:56:13 »
Are you going to use the machine when temperature is below zero?

When the machine is used for heating, there will be water under/around the machine....under the porch.

The water will freeze.......

Be sure to lead the water away from the house....
Bor i Örebro/Närke.

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« Svar #2 skrivet: 23 april 2013, 20:02:11 »
And also it is important when mounting that the suction and exhaustpart of the outdoor unit can move the air freely and not shortcircut (the air feeding back).

If you dont it will freeze with constant defrosts.
Bor i 180m2 2-plan villa+hel källare i Bergslagen. Värmer huset med en NIBE-F600P FLVP och en egenkonstruerad 4m2 Luftsolfångare. Snart en F1145-6.

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« Svar #3 skrivet: 23 april 2013, 21:59:06 »
First of all : thank you for the quick answers  tummenupp

Our intention is to switch it on 2 days before we arrive in the house so that the cold is out and the house feel comfortable when we arrive.
After we arrive in the house we heat-up the wood stove, if necessary.
And we use it for the nights.

@Rocas
Normally we only use it when it is above 0° and mostly for heating.
The water is not the problem, I can make it in a way that the water lead away from the house.

@GDS-Jan
That is one of the reason why I ask "is it possible"
How much space should I take between the outside part and the foundation of the house ?
As you can see on the photo there is ±20cm space between the beam and the ground at the front of the veranda. Is that enough ?
The floor is also open. There is 1cm open space between the planking and the right side under the veranda is totaly open.

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« Svar #4 skrivet: 23 april 2013, 22:13:39 »
I think its more important that the exhaust goes out without resistance.
That is how you normaly mount it against a wall.

I think its easier for the fan to suck air through hinders than to try pushing it out.
Perhaps mounting it so that the exhaust goes out into open air with the unit still under the floor?
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« Svar #5 skrivet: 23 april 2013, 22:37:09 »
For the right one it is no problem but the left one is not possible to blow the wind directly out in the air but can I make a tube around the exhaust to the open air ?
Like this :
« Senast ändrad: 24 april 2013, 09:28:16 av Schenk »

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« Svar #6 skrivet: 24 april 2013, 11:56:41 »
For the right one it is no problem but the left one is not possible to blow the wind directly out in the air but can I make a tube around the exhaust to the open air ?
Like this :

A tube makes it worse.
The tube creates backpressure.
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« Svar #7 skrivet: 24 april 2013, 18:42:23 »
Thank you, then I must find an other solution.

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« Svar #8 skrivet: 24 april 2013, 20:43:16 »
Thank you, then I must find an other solution.

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Cant you place it in the middle under the veranda?
I mean the suction end an exhaust end longways of the veranda?

That might work.
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« Svar #9 skrivet: 24 april 2013, 21:33:09 »
The pipes of the DIY Zibro LLVP are 4 meters long. The hole in the wall is ±2,5 above the veranda floor.
That mean there is ±1,5 meter left for under the veranda.
As you can see on the last picture I place them as you describe, suction and exhaust longways of the veranda but I can not place both in the middle because of the pipes.
Maybe I can place them a little near each other but not next to each other, at least I don´t think I can come that far
If I place them confirm the picture but without tube then the exhaust of the left unit will blow into the suction of the right unit and therefor I thought maybe I can connect a tube on the left unit which end next to the exhaust of the right unit so both have a free suction and exhaust.
Ofcourse I want to place unit as close as it is possible to each other so that the tube will be as short as can be

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« Svar #10 skrivet: 24 april 2013, 21:40:02 »
The pipes of the DIY Zibro LLVP are 4 meters long. The hole in the wall is ±2,5 above the veranda floor.
That mean there is ±1,5 meter left for under the veranda.
As you can see on the last picture I place them as you describe, suction and exhaust longways of the veranda but I can not place both in the middle because of the pipes.
Maybe I can place them a little near each other but not next to each other, at least I don´t think I can come that far
If I place them confirm the picture but without tube then the exhaust of the left unit will blow into the suction of the right unit and therefor I thought maybe I can connect a tube on the left unit which end next to the exhaust of the right unit so both have a free suction and exhaust.
Ofcourse I want to place unit as close as it is possible to each other so that the tube will be as short as can be

You can place it with the short side against the wall but as much space as possible from the back and front end?

That could work.
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« Svar #11 skrivet: 24 april 2013, 22:45:52 »
I think that alot of my forum friends have ideas about your installation but none of them have the guts to write in english :)

Give them a chance and you will have some more input before mounting.

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« Senast ändrad: 24 april 2013, 23:37:31 av GDS-Jan »
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« Svar #12 skrivet: 25 april 2013, 00:18:35 »
I know and I wait, I have some time to go because at the end of next week I go to Jula to buy the SC1332.
And forum friends, I am Dutch so I also make mistakes in English  ;) but you can read it and hopefully understand it.  ::)
Men som jag skriva i Svenska du inte förstå mig, min Svenska är inte så bra.  :)

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« Svar #13 skrivet: 25 april 2013, 00:37:54 »
Men som jag skriva i Svenska du inte förstå mig, min Svenska är inte så bra.  :)

Great but not good :)

My latest idea can work.
You do have some piping over so even if you place it wrong, you can move it?

Give it space to breath and it will work.
Plenty of space in front and back of it will work.

It doesnt really matter if there is a roof 1m above the outdoor unit if it has free air in front and back of it.
Dont be afraid to try, nothing will break, it will just frost down if its bad.
« Senast ändrad: 25 april 2013, 01:12:29 av GDS-Jan »
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« Svar #14 skrivet: 25 april 2013, 20:00:11 »
Schenk.

Where will you install these units?
Netherlands? Or do you live somewhere else?
How cold does it get in winter time?
One HP should not blow cold air into the others "intake" however,
If there's some distance between you should be fine.
Had a Daikin installation guide once that decribed min distances, try to google it.
And despite mild climate ( if such ) I would still elevate the Outside units,
i.e not mount it directly on ground, concrete blocks or something... Just in case ;)

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